PODCAST: How Young Prophets are Changing the World

Jeshua Glanzman:    Hey there, you're listening to Frequentsee Conversations, the podcast where we talk about the Kingdom of God invading every space in every way. My name is Jeshua, and as usual, I'm sitting down with Julian and Katia Adams, the founders of Frequentsee. And today we're going to be talking about the prophetic. This is a topic that Julian is really experienced in. He's written several books on the subject, and lots of teachings. And so, I'm excited to ask him some fun questions.

Jeshua Glanzman:    It's a fun one today. We get to hear a little bit of Julian's story on the prophetic, how he figured out he was prophetic. We ask the question, "Can anyone prophesy?" We hear from Katia, what it's like to be married to a prophet. And then, we talk a little bit about the future, and how the prophetic is changing the world through young people who are hearing the voice of God and making a difference. It's an amazing episode. So excited to get started.

Jeshua Glanzman:    All righty. It's so good to be back doing another podcast with Julian and Katia, at Frequentsee Conversations. Today I'm excited. We're going to be talking a little bit about the prophetic, which is a huge emphasis of Frequentsee Ministries. We love the prophetic. We love talking on the prophetic. And Julian is an expert in the prophetic.

Julian Adams:       What? I don't know anything about it, but-

Jeshua Glanzman:    I don't know about that, but he has a lot of great insights. And so, I thought that we would start just by asking you Julian, just to share a little bit of your journey in the prophetic, and how you knew you were gifted in that area. And yeah, just go ahead and just share some of that.

Julian Adams:       Yeah. I think, so good to have your listeners listening to us. I think, for me, the prophetic started out when I was, gosh, very young. God began revealing Himself to me, I think, the first sense of God's presence for me was when I was about the end of my third, beginning of my fourth year. My parents are amazing pioneers, and they love Jesus, and do amazing things for Him, prayed for me, and I received the baptism, the Holy Spirit. I remember being on their bed, being prayed for, being filled with the Spirit, speaking in other tongues. And it unlocked the sense of expectation that God was real, and the sense of my value to Him, that He wanted me to feel His presence in a very real way.

Julian Adams:       I thank, God, that we don't get junior Holy Spirits, we get the fullness of God. And I think that when that happened for me at the end of my third, beginning of my fourth year, it kick-started a sense of an appetite for the presence of God that I can't really explain other than, it just was there. And I just longed to know God. By the age of nine, I could recognize it that I could think and feel things, and teach things. I'd read scriptures that the pastor would then preach about, or I'd have a sense of people, and what they were going through. And the prophetic began to just get unlocked I suppose, like that.

Julian Adams:       And I was in a meeting in particular, where a very good friend of our family, a strong prophetic voice, a lady called Janet Brann-Hollis prayed for me. And it just unlocked the prophetic. She prophesied that God would use me as a prophet to the nations, and have influence all over the world. And that there was a sense of call on my life. And that really began to unlock the voice of God. So for me, really, it was for an impartation, and I just started hearing God's voice.

Katia Adams:        How old were you when she prophesied over you?

Julian Adams:       I was about nine years old when that happened. And yeah, so I think for me, I started hearing God's voice very clearly, very accurately right from a young age, by the time I was 15. The explosive moment in terms of ministry in the prophetic happened for me during the season of 1994, when the Holy Spirit was being poured out in Toronto at John and Carol Arnott's Church. And we had some people who had returned from there. And a minister prayed for me, and the Holy Spirit met with me in just a phenomenal way. I began to bounce up and down, and he took my shy, introverted, closed-off, shut-down self, and completely transformed me to be someone who carried the prophetic and started preaching and prophesying publicly-

Jeshua Glanzman:    Wow.

Julian Adams:       ... from the age of 15. And I've been doing so ever since. So, it's an incredible privilege. And I think, because I had a number of prophetic words, a number of prophetic encounters, and other people recognizing the gift of prophecy in me and on me, I began to see it being developed. My parents helped steward that. But also, I began to realize, actually, I'm called to carry prophetic grace and to operate in the space of being a prophet for the sake of the nations.

Jeshua Glanzman:    Yeah. Yeah. One of the questions we get asked a lot by people because they know you is, what is the difference between the office of a prophet and having a prophetic gifting? I think there's a lot of confusion in that with some people who may proclaim to be prophets who aren't, or may not recognize their own gift in the prophetic. So, how do you see the differentiation there?

Julian Adams:       Oh, Jeshua. As usual, throwing a few controversial questions in. I think for me, just to say this, first and foremost, if you have to preface your name with prophet, you're probably not one.

Jeshua Glanzman:    So, we shouldn't start calling you Prophet Julian?

Julian Adams:       No, that is just not fun. And the nature of any gift ministry in the Bible is to be serving, and to lay down their life-

Katia Adams:        Yes.

Julian Adams:       ... for the sake of others, so they come into their destiny. So, my aim as a prophetic person, or someone who's recognized as a prophet is to equip other people to prophesy. And I think that's the big thing. I think that everyone can prophesy, but not everyone can equip others to prophesy at a high level.

Katia Adams:        Yeah, that's good, level.

Julian Adams:       And I think there's a big difference between just simply being able to prophesy and being able to impart the gift of prophecy. And I find that that is one of the key hallmarks, that they're able to teach and create a culture in which other people prophesy, and fully function in different gifts, and different callings, and different anointings. I think, the other thing is that a prophet is not simply recognized by the number of travel miles they've earned because they're the latest flavor of the month they travel.

Julian Adams:       A prophet is recognized by their ability to incarnate a message. In other words, they carry a particular theme of heaven, a particular message. And very often, especially for my life, I've had to live the message before I've ever brought a message in terms of a corporeal sense of God's word. And then lastly, I often say, "The difference between a prophetic person and a prophet is about 25 years of learning to grow, and learning to understand how God works."

Julian Adams:       I thank God, that it seems to me that He is shortening that. And certainly, the prayer of our ministry is that people step up onto a much higher level, a much higher platform. That my best moment in the prophetic would become the second point for many people. But I think that the difficulty with the sharpness of your prophetic gift is that it has to be matched by your personal history with God.

Katia Adams:        Yes.

Julian Adams:       Because, it's your personal history that determines how you live out the prophetic word and how you live as a prophet that equips, and encourages, and releases other people. I have found that prophets tend to live with the future in mind. They live in tomorrow, today. But, it seems like the church is still catching up with yesterday. And so, a prophet's life acts like a holy tension that pulls the past into the future whilst having already tasting something of the future. It creates a holy tension, a holy frustration, that brings the past and the future together in the present, so things are accelerated.

Julian Adams:       And I think, when you live like that, it creates a personal history with God that sets you up to have a platform in the nations. And I would say that the ultimate way you are known to be a prophet is that other people call you a prophet because of the track record of, not just bringing good words of knowledge where you get information, and you forensically guide most people's issues, or where they're at, or sicknesses, or whatever. They're actually foretelling what God's about to do, that there's a dynamic in which what you say about the future comes to pass. And you've got a track record, and other people have got to recognize you.

Julian Adams:       So, you will never see my business card with Prophet Julian Adams on it. But, what you will see and hear are other people telling stories about the fact that they view me as a prophet. And I'm comfortable with that. God spoke to me like I said, when I was nine that I'd be a prophet. I've only been recognized as a prophet in my late 20s, early 30s. And I didn't go around calling myself that until other people first recognized it in the community of the believers, and in the wider Body of Christ.

Jeshua Glanzman:    Yeah. That's awesome. That tension thing that you were mentioning, I really like that. I mean, you see that in biblical prophets, that whole holy, what did you say, frustration-

Julian Adams:       Yeah.

Jeshua Glanzman:    ... sort of a thing? And tension between what you see God doing and what is actually happening on earth. And I want to talk more in a minute about how you were talking about raising up prophets, and that's one of the calls of a prophet. But first of all, you heard God from a really, really early age really clearly, and that's not everyone's experience. That wasn't my experience. I don't know if that was your experience Katia, but I would love to hear just your perspective as a non-prophet voice who is prophetic.

Katia Adams:        Yeah. I mean, definitely, my experience is different to Julian's. And like you say, whilst I would recognize him to be a prophet, I'm definitely not a prophet, but can operate in prophetic gifting.

Julian Adams:       Amazingly.

Katia Adams:        What's beautiful about the atmosphere that my parents set in our home is that there was a general expectation all the way through growing up to hear God's voice. So, I remember being in, even in family prayer meetings when I was a kid, when I was seven or eight, and there was the encouragement of, "What do you think God is saying about this?" And there was this expectation being built in us even as children, me and my sisters, that God wants to speak to His people. And I mean, we weren't thinking about being prophets or being prophetic. It was just part and parcel of being the people of God, you get to hear His voice.

Katia Adams:        But, I definitely didn't have anything nearly as dramatic in my experience, as maybe, Julian has just described. And I remember when Julian and I first met, my experience of hearing God's voice would have been at that level that I was saying in terms of in my family, in moments of prayer, or in meetings. Or, even being out and about, and just stretching the muscle of stepping out in faith. And trying to hear God for people, and sharing, what I would now probably describe as blessed thoughts for them. Which is wonderful, because people felt loved. And I was operating in faith, which is what really pleases God.

Katia Adams:        But I remember when I met Julian and he started telling me, just as we were getting to know each other, some of his experiences, some of the encounters that he was having with God. And I started to see firsthand, him operating in his gift. I remember getting really frustrated if I'm perfectly honest, something like, "This isn't fair," having a godly jealousy of, "I want what he gets, and it's really annoying that he gets it." And I remember this moment where I was really frustrated after he told me about an encounter, feeling that I wasn't allowed to have the same sort of encounter that he'd had, because it's okay for him, he's a prophet.

Katia Adams:        But, what do I do? I'm not a prophet. It means, I can't have that. And I remember God speaking to me and saying to me, "You've totally misunderstood what the office of a prophet is for." And in my thinking, the gifts described in Ephesians 4, in the way that I was thinking about it then, they were superhero Christians. They got to do extra special things that ordinary Christians didn't get to do. And so, if-

Jeshua Glanzman:    Sorry. For people who may not know those, it's-

Katia Adams:        Yes, apostles-

Jeshua Glanzman:    ... apostles, prophets-

Katia Adams:        Yeah, good question. Apostles-

Jeshua Glanzman:    ... teachers-

Katia Adams:        ... prophets, teachers, pastors, and evangelists. And in Ephesians 4 it says, "Jesus gave these people as gifts to the church." And I remember processing this moment with God, and He was saying, "You've misunderstood, because you think because Julian is a prophet there are experiences reserved for him as a prophet that ordinary Christians won't be able to have." But actually, He led me to study Ephesians 4 closely, and showed me how Ephesians 4 talks about those gifts not being given to the church as superheroes who get to do this stuff and everyone else has to watch, and feel a little bit left out.

Katia Adams:        But actually, Ephesians 4 says that these gifts have been given to the church in order to equip and empower the church. In order to equip and empower every person, the ordinary Christians, to do the work of ministry. In other words, these five gifts aren't the ministers and the rest of us sit, and watch, and feel jealous. But, these five gifts have been given to the church in order to equip the church to be the ministers, wherever we are, whatever we're doing, whatever gifting we feel we have. These five groups of people have been given to the church to equip us in every form of ministry so that the whole body, Ephesians 4 says, "Grows up into fullness and maturity, into being the full picture of Jesus, our head."

Katia Adams:        And Jesus showed me this. And as God started speaking to me about this I realized that what I was seeing in Julian's life, and the encounters he was describing to me weren't meant to be stories that make me feel left out. But rather, were stories that were an invitation from God to me, if you like, because God had given me this wonderful gift of a husband who is a prophet. And every time Julian described an encounter to me it was almost like I was starting to see that God was inviting me into those same encounters, because the whole point of those gifts is that they're multiplying. It's the whole-

Jeshua Glanzman:    Yeah. That's cool.

Katia Adams:        ... point of those gifts, is that they're equipping gifts. Which means, not only when prophets tell us stories, but when apostles tell us stories, or evangelists tell us stories, the point of those stories isn't to make us feel like those gifts are superheroes and we're not invited. But rather, every one of those testimonies is an invitation from God to see in our own lives the very same things we hear multiplied and reproduced. And so, I'm starting to see, not only is it a gift being married to Julian because he's wonderful, but also it's just such a privilege to do life alongside a prophet who, in the wisdom of God, was created to hear God in such phenomenal ways.

Katia Adams:        But, I get to enter into the grace that's on Julian's life and see those things multiplied in me. And really, my testimony is that it works. This isn't theory. Being married to Julian has meant that I've received so much of the grace from him being a prophet that my prophetic gifting is much sharper now than it was before our friendship started. My ability to hear God's voice, how I step out in prophecy is much, much sharper now. And that's proof of why prophets were given to the church. They were given to release grace to the church so that gifts would be multiplied. So yeah, that's my story, those.

Jeshua Glanzman:    Yeah. That's really exciting because, yeah, just means that none of us are left out from any of those gifts.

Katia Adams:        Exactly.

Jeshua Glanzman:    It's also challenging because it means we have no excuse not to grow in every area of the five-fold. We can't use the excuse of, "Oh, I'm an introvert, so I don't do evangelism."

Katia Adams:        Touchy.

Jeshua Glanzman:    Or, "I'm not prophetic." Actually, no, if we have prophets, and teachers, and evangelists, and so forth in our life, we have no excuse not to grow.

Katia Adams:        That's exactly right.

Jeshua Glanzman:    Yeah, that's pretty cool.

Katia Adams:        Yeah, because we can either become jealous or we can become passive, and neither reality is okay. We're to be engaged. And I was actually talking to a group about this yesterday. If we have one of those gifts in our lives, that means that God wants to extend the grace from that gift to us. And so, the whole purpose of engaging with those people in terms of the gift, is this knowledge that that very thing is to be multiplied in us. And so, yeah, there's no room for sitting back and letting someone else do the work.

Julian Adams:       Yeah. And-

Katia Adams:        Because it's like, no, it's an invitation.

Julian Adams:       I think, if I may chip in here.

Katia Adams:        Of course.

Julian Adams:       I think one of the most beautiful things about the whole expression of five-fold ministry gifts is that they're just that, they are graces. They are gifts to the church. They do not come through us working hard at something, but simply being in a posture of receiving the grace that come on their lives, so we then get to grow in that grace ourselves. And so, I love hanging out with evangelists because certainly, I start evangelizing better. I love hanging out with apostolic mothers and fathers because certainly, I produce disciples in churches, and think through the lens of Kingdom transformation better, and for all of those gifts.

Julian Adams:       And the Bible says that that's what maturity looks like. It's certainly all those graces working together, each joint supplying grace to grow and to flow together suddenly begins to look a little bit more like Jesus on the end. And that's the whole aim of these things. And so, I'm so glad that God is restoring a supernatural worldview, and a Kingdom worldview to the church, so that we all find our space in place.

Katia Adams:        Yeah, very much so.

Julian Adams:       And it's not just a superstar apostle is at the top of a pyramid because they've got a big church, no, no, no, no. It looks like apostolic grace being multiplied in every aspect of the church as it goes for every other gift.

Jeshua Glanzman:    Yeah. That's awesome. So, back to the prophetic for you Julian. You're talking about this multiplication. I've heard you talk before about, just a new, I think you've used the word new breed of prophet, or just a different type of prophetic movement that you see emerging. Can you just talk a little bit about what you see the future of the prophetic looking like that's in contrast to what it maybe has been?

Julian Adams:       Yeah. I think that, obviously, there's nothing new under the sun, right, in many ways? And I think that some of what I'm about to say, actually, is connected very deeply to an understanding of what biblical prophetic ministry looks like. But, I believe that it's been a long time since there's been an opportunity for a generation like the rising millennial generation to be able to incarnate, embody, and grab ahold of the season, and to bring a clarity around prophetic ministry like it is at the moment. I love connecting with millennials. I'm just outside the millennial age gap.

Katia Adams:        Oh, yeah. Only just, darling.

Julian Adams:       Only just. But, I think of myself as more of a millennial because I can work a mobile phone-

Jeshua Glanzman:    Because, you're stylish. You're stylish.

Katia Adams:        You're so cool, love.

Julian Adams:       ... and I'm on Instagram. But seriously, I think that millennials have a clean slate in many ways in that many see some of the psychology in the psyche of millennials. There are no more rules. There are no definables. There's no, "I need to work a nine-to-five job." There's this high sense of engagement with justice and mercy. This high sense of what's right needs to be celebrated and prepared for.

Julian Adams:       And obviously, there comes a whole lot of negatives in that, with every generation they think that maybe, they don't do so well. But, I love the fact that there seems to be a permission being given to this millennial generation to reimagine what the world could be like. And Walter Brueggemann talks about this. He's a theologian who talks about the prophetic burden, which is to reimagine the world and to re-culturize it with hope. And I feel like that's where this millennial generation carries things.

Julian Adams:       And there's such a high sense of justice and passion, and "Bring on the revolution. We're going to fight things. We're going to overturn systems. We're going to overturn government," and all sorts of stuff. What's beautiful is that if you have a Kingdom worldview, particularly as a millennial, you get to reimagine what that looks like through the lens of Jesus. And you get to return to a biblical, ancient way of being the prophetic in that, their life shifted things culturally in life.

Julian Adams:       And their message wasn't just, "Let me talk." It wasn't just armchair critique. It wasn't just the safety of anonymity on a social media platform. No, no, it was the way they lived, and the way they communicated. And I believe that this next season of the prophetic is going to restore an understanding of what it means to incarnate genuine, prophetic hope, and to shift cultures around. And to erase the lines of what we think theologically is most important. What we think is most important to do with our church tradition. And to say, "Do you know what? There are things that we get to reimagine what our world looks like."

Julian Adams:       And I believe God's inviting this millennial generation, this modern move of prophetic people who have not just disengaged from culture, have not just set aside their thought processes. It's that they actually are engaging every aspect of that. Engaging with culture, and bringing change in a significant way. And I think, yeah, I think it's awesome.

Jeshua Glanzman:    Do you have any examples of people who you've seen dip into that, or in any way?

Julian Adams:       Gosh. I mean, I think that there are a few people that I can think of off the top of my head. So, I'm thinking of some friends of mine who lead a community in Cape Town, who moved into one of the most deprived areas of Cape Town. And who, prophetically have begun to shift the culture in the way that they live in community. They've invited the drunkards, the alcoholics, the gang leaders into their home. And the result is that they're a part of the wolves starting to look more beautiful.

Julian Adams:       Even some stuff around legislation is beginning to shift because of the way that they're engaging. These are young, significantly wealthy professionals moving into deprived areas. And not just shocking about white privilege being wrong, because these guys all are generally white, privileged people moving into areas that are rundown. They are thinking about how we buy homes. How do we provide practical opportunities? How do they walk through life with those who have been living on the street for so long? And they're living it in a way that is very beautiful. And they're incarnating. They're putting, for a better word, flesh to the gospel in the way that they live, there's tangibles.

Julian Adams:       And I think of some other friends of mine who are involved in online spaces and they're starting to think, "How do I use my online space?" The millennial social media dynamic is being hit up with influences who are using their influence to gain wealth, and to gain sponsorship from lots of people. But, their guys are actually thinking, "How do I use my words? How does my Instagram story feed become a way to disrupt the conversation, and to bring hope, and culture change? How do I use my Facebook, not just to rant about what's good or bad, or to show off another picture of what I'm eating? But actually, how do I engage to start to think, and to start to release a new song that resonates with heaven, that resonates with the frequency of heaven?"

Julian Adams:       And I think, those kinds of things are amazing. I mean, countries ... no, well, not countries, a number of people who are involved in entertainment who are living in a way that is against the culture, not simply riding with the culture. But, not just going against the culture in protest, but demonstrating the culture of heaven. And by doing so, it is shifting something for people.

Julian Adams:       And so yeah, my friend Shawn Bolz has got incredible influence in Hollywood with the church that he planted. It's now being led by another amazing couple. But, just incredible to see how they're shifting the rhetoric that once, what we thought was evil and untouchable is now being penetrated with a prophetic message of hope. Because, light really does belong in dark places. And I think, that's the exciting thing that's happening.

Jeshua Glanzman:    Yeah, that's great.

Julian Adams:       Yeah. If you want to add something about friends and-

Katia Adams:        No, no. I was just thinking, just as you're describing, it's the exciting, spectacular moment of heaven invading earth. And each of the examples you've described is someone choosing to embody a message, not just preach it.

Jeshua Glanzman:    Yeah. Yeah. That's good.

Katia Adams:        And I think, so often both in the prophetic, but I think it goes across the board in terms of Christianity. We can be very quick to talk a message because it's low-cost. It's really easy to sit and preach whatever we like. But, the really exciting moment, the adventure of Kingdom happens only when we're choosing to embody it. And what you were talking about in terms of a new breed of prophets, or a next generation of prophets, really, it's about people who choose to take it beyond just talking a message and instead, become that message.

Jeshua Glanzman:    Yeah. That's good.

Katia Adams:        And that's when the manner of our message becomes really important, because you can live something out with a motivation of just bringing justice. Or, you can live something out with a motivation of love to bring justice. And those two things can look very, very different, because the love element catapults something into a Kingdom reality. Where, if not, any message can just become ... Non-Christians can do social justice. But what we do, the manner of embodying our message has to be clothed in love. Clothed in God's love. And that changes everything. So yeah, it's exciting hearing what you're talking about.

Julian Adams:       I also think one of the things that we forget about the prophetic, particularly in the Old Testament, and even in the New Testament is that between the promise fulfilled and the prophetic word is a process. And I think, what God has done in this last season with the advent of people like Brene Brown, and numbers of other voices who are carrying an emotional intelligence, unlike the world has seen up until this moment in history is so beautiful. Because, I think millennials are committed to, I suppose, work through some of the process and to get to the deep, emotional stuff. And that can sometimes paralyze people, because they get caught up in a spiral trying to deal with emotions.

Julian Adams:       But, the beauty of that worldview, infused with the power of the gospel means that you get to process your emotions, and be empowered to walk in wholeness through your emotions. And so suddenly, the place that you have influence, you're not result-driven, you're process-focused so that you live and walk through the issues with people. Rather than simply just look to bring an answer, we help shift the thinking of a people that way. And I think, that kind of awareness, of emotional intelligence, which God is maturing in this generation, is going to do so much for releasing happy, good, clear prophetic words that then shift things for people in an amazing way.

Jeshua Glanzman:    That's amazing. Yeah, there are so many questions I could ask around the prophetic. It just opens up a huge thing. Yeah. I'm hearing, you obviously talk about love, hope, meaning. I think, as a millennial myself, those are all the words that I'm looking for in the prophetic. And unfortunately, that hasn't always been reflected in prophetic before. And can you just tell me, Julian, just a bit about the difference between, maybe a gloom-and-doom prophetic word, or a word of warning, that type of stuff? And should people be giving words of warning?

Katia Adams:        That's a good question.

Jeshua Glanzman:    Thanks.

Julian Adams:       Firstly, I want to say, the greatest prophet that has ever lived is Jesus. And the Bible says He's our model for prophetic ministry, as He is for any ministry. And the Bible says He was anointed with the oil of joy above his companions. Which means, He was pretty happy and seemed to find himself being more comfortable with the down-and-outs, with the tax collectors, with the prostitutes, with the sinners, than He was with the religious or the well-to-do, put together people-types.

Julian Adams:       He seemed to really enjoy the company of party-goers. And He seemed to really enjoy eating a lot of food. And He was happy. People liked to hang out with him. He was a happy person. And it's incredible, even in the midst of suffering, the reason you go through suffering is because of joy. The Bible said, "It was the joy that was set before Him that He endured the cross." And I think it's really important that we understand the new covenant introduces a new way of being the people of God.

Julian Adams:       It also introduces a new way of being of those that carry prophetic ministries. And I think that the biggest deal that happened is that we see this beautiful picture. The Bible says, "Of God in Christ, bringing the world to himself in relationship, reconciliation," the Bible calls it. And it's just a beautiful thing. He's not counting sin against people. He's not doing the math and going, "You are in debt to me because of your sinfulness." No, no. Because of what He gave in Christ on the cross, because of how the Father was involved in the beautiful sacrifice that we see on the cross, sin is a non-issue, because all of the implications of sin, and the impact of sin, have been dealt with.

Julian Adams:       Are there consequences if I continue to live in a place of sin? Absolutely. Will I reap what I've sown in bad decisions that are sinful? Absolutely. But even into that, God can turn it around, because He's so for us. And I think the overwhelming sense that I get, actually, for both the Old and the New Testament is that He loves us. The Bible says in the Old Testament that, "He is slow to anger." And I think because we, maybe, have turned that around and said, "He is quick to anger," that His wrath is burning against us. We've had all these prophets come out with words that speak of judgment.

Julian Adams:       And I think there is a difference in that, on the cross, everything that was needed to bring a judgment against sin, the Bible says that, "Jesus took it on Himself." There's no judgment to be brought anymore. And the reality is that what we see today in terms of warning words, in terms of God's speaking into the consequences of sin, or wanting to do what world events that might be negative is not God bringing judgment. Because, when you understand the concept of parenting through the lens of love, you understand that God's discipline, God's dealing with us, God's warning with us, is never for our judgment. It's never to assess us as being guilty of wrongdoing. It is always to prepare us for greater things.

Julian Adams:       And I think, that dynamic of love, that dynamic of God's goodness means that we begin to understand that actually, what God is doing in us through prophetic words, and maybe bring a warning sense, is to prepare us so that we can respond in a biblical way, so that we can respond in love. Often, when I get a sense of maybe, a word that might have a natural disaster attached to it, I'm not praying for that to come to pass.

Jeshua Glanzman:    Yeah, of course.

Julian Adams:       I'm saying, "God, please don't let that happen. Please." Not that I believe God initiates natural disasters for the record, but He does give us a window, a glimpse into what might be coming. And then, I get to partner with heaven to bring His perspective about what might be happening. And I think, that understanding of being happy, being joyful, not looking through a lens of judgment, how we then deal with words that maybe have a warning sense, that maybe do have a sense of rebuke, actually comes through the context of love. Drawing people into, and come to a God, and always providing an opportunity for His love to be on display, and for lives to be changed. We need a whole lot more happier prophets. I'm so over black cards, and prophets of doom and gloom-

Katia Adams:        Oh gosh.

Julian Adams:       ... saying, "God's going to judge us." He's not. I love it when people say things like ... I come from Cape Town which, at one stage was the capital of homosexuality apparently, in the world. We went through a drought, and I heard someone say that, "It's the judgment of God on Cape Town." I'm like, "My gosh, if homosexuality brings about a judgment, I can't bear to think what gossip does," because they're put together in the same scriptural context. Which would then mean, most of the church would be obliterated.

Jeshua Glanzman:    Yeah.

Katia Adams:        Yeah.

Jeshua Glanzman:    Let's be honest.

Julian Adams:       It's just, oh, sweet Jesus, don't let me get on this horse and ride it home because it frustrates me so much. That we have people making statements about the character of God that have got nothing to do with how Jesus is revealed. He's a friend of sinners which means, if Jesus were to be walking on the earth today, think of the most sinful place, he'd be right there making friends and displaying the love of God. That's what it truly means to be prophetic.

Jeshua Glanzman:    Yeah. You might get in trouble for that one.

Katia Adams:        Yeah, I think you might.

Julian Adams:       I'm happy to.

Jeshua Glanzman:    Awesome. I think, real quick, we're running out of time, but Julian, I would love you to share ... There's a story that I've heard you share before about giving a prophetic word. I think it was in a million dollar context. Can you just share that story, because I think that's just an awesome picture of God's love for people. And what this new movement of prophetic is meant to look like on a practical sort of level?

Julian Adams:       Gosh, I hope I'm going to get the right story Jesh. You can stop me if it's the wrong one-

Jeshua Glanzman:    Yeah.

Julian Adams:       ... and I'll readjust. But yeah, I get to prophesy over very, very wealthy people, and influential people in different countries. I was invited into this high-rise building, and I was feeling really super nervous, because I mean, what did I know about stocks and shares? And often for me, in those moments, I'm feeling the pressure to be highly specific, highly accurate, get detailed words of knowledge, and speak about their future. And, I was going and thinking, "Lord Jesus, I don't know how I'm going to do this. There's so much pressure. Here I am in this high-rise office block with all these very important people." And yes-

Jeshua Glanzman:    Even you feel the same. That's encouraging.

Julian Adams:       Yeah. Oh my God. So, woefully under-qualified is what I felt, but God is so kind. I felt the Lord say to me in that moment, "I don't want you to go for accuracy, I want you to go for his heart. I want you to reveal something of my love to him." Because, at the end of the day, I've discovered that people need to know less about what their purpose is, and more about what their value and worth is.

Julian Adams:       And I remember getting there literally freaking out. And as he walked in, God began to reveal some stuff about his family, about his daughter. About some things that he was going through in terms of his identity. And it's incredible, whenever you start with someone's identity, it opens their heart to understand their purpose. And he began to weep as I was just bringing very simple words of knowledge that to me, seemed inconsequential. But, in terms of the timing and the moment for him, was highly significant. And he began to weep and weep as I began to prophesy with him. I had the opportunity to lead into Jesus off the back of that.

Katia Adams:        So amazing.

Julian Adams:       And then, I get to prophesy about his great future. And it taught me something. And I believe this is the beautiful thing about this next move of God. God is raising up love prophets. Prophets who understand His love and prophesy to the heart. The psalmist talks about deep calling out to deep. There's something in our generation that is looking for the depths of heaven to connect with the depths of their heart. And love is the currency. Love is the way that that happens. And yeah, so I love that story just because God moved my focus away from the details to readjust my vision around loving the one that's in front of me well.

Jeshua Glanzman:    Well, that is a great way to end. Thanks for sharing that story. I'm personally, really encouraged and excited to see what this next move of God and the prophetic ends up looking like. If it's anything like that, with love as the focus it's going to change the world. I'm excited.

Katia Adams:        Yeah. Absolutely.

Jeshua Glanzman:    Thanks for being here as always guys.

Julian Adams:       Yay.

Jeshua Glanzman:    Hope you enjoyed today's episode of Frequentsee Conversations. Hey, if today's episode got you thinking that you want to grow in your prophetic gift, we've got two awesome resources online on our website at frequentsee.org. If you go right there to our homepage, there's a link that says Prophecy 101. If you sign up there, you'll get our free e-course on the prophetic. It's four teachings from Julian. 10 minutes long each. They include homework. And it's a bit interactive with us. We would love for you to sign up for that.

Jeshua Glanzman:    If you're looking to grow deeper in the prophetic, and you've already explored the prophetic a little bit but you just want to go a little bit deeper, we've got a course called, Amplify. And this one's a lot longer. It's five hours of teaching from Julian. It includes an online workbook that's 71 pages of in-depth study in the prophetic. It's got stories. It's got tips. It's got meditations. It's a really, really awesome course. Just go to our online store at frequentsee.org/store.

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